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Using over 1.5 million assessments from leaders worldwide, renowned psychometrician Dr. Joseph Folkman and leadership legend Dr. Jack Zenger are here to settle the debates and let the data speak for itself. Each week they analyze different leadership traits, trends, and what it really takes to get to the 90th percentile. These short episodes feature compelling stories, research, and actions that leaders can take to improve.

Episode 164: Control vs. Influence—What Today’s Leader’s Get Wrong

The 90th Percentile: An Unconventional Leadership Podcast

Published: May, 2025

Details

In this episode of The 90th Percentile, we explore the enduring relevance of a decades-old leadership theory that feels more urgent than ever. Joe Folkman joins us to revisit Control Graph Theory—first introduced in the 1960s—and shares new research from over 200 teams showing why the total amount of influence in an organization matters more than whoholds it.

We discuss why authoritarian leadership is making a comeback, how centralized control stifles engagement, and what modern leaders can do to create workplaces where people feel heard, valued, and empowered. From Amazon’s algorithmic management systems to Toyota’s famous Andon cord, we examine real-world examples of what happens when influence is hoarded versus shared.

Whether you’re a seasoned executive or a rising leader, this episode offers practical steps to shift from a control-centric mindset to one that cultivates broad-based influence—without sacrificing speed, accountability, or performance.

Key Learnings

More Influence = More Engagement
Teams with higher total influence—spread across managers and employees—consistently outperform those with concentrated control at the top.
Authoritarian Approaches Are Backfiring
Amid economic uncertainty and new surveillance technologies, some leaders are reverting to command-and-control models. The result? Lower morale, higher turnover, and reduced innovation.
Crisis ≠ Excuse for Control
While centralized decisions may be necessary during acute crises, organizations that routinely distribute influence are more resilient in the long run.
Leaders Must Invite and Act on Input
Empowering others doesn’t mean losing control—it means gaining commitment. Leaders should create real opportunities for input and close the loop on how it’s used.
Influence Isn’t a Zero-Sum Game
Great leaders don’t hoard power—they expand it. By building trust and enabling contribution, they create teams that are more agile, engaged, and successful.

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