The 90th Percentile: An Unconventional Leadership Podcast
Published: May 7, 2025
In this episode of The 90th Percentile: An Unconventional Leadership Podcast, we sit down with Bard Parnell, Senior Manager of Learning and Development at Mesa Labs, to talk about what really drives effective leadership—especially in a time of nonstop disruption. While many organizations are quick to chase the latest leadership trends, Bard shares why Mesa Labs has taken a different approach: doubling down on the fundamentals that actually work.
He discusses how to distinguish between training and true development, why clarity and alignment are underrated superpowers, and how maturity in leadership often starts with saying, “I don’t know—but we’ll figure it out together.” If you’ve ever felt overwhelmed by the noise in the leadership space, this conversation will ground you in what truly matters.
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